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    Is there anyone out there who has OCD but the only symtom are tics?

    My daughter has many tics including forced eye blinking, nose wrinkling, mouth stretching, shoulder shrugging and she squeezes her hands and feet. She also clears her throat. Based on all my reading, I assumed TS. I brought her to the family doctor and she thinks it's OCD. She's going to be referring us to a pediatrician.

    I just can't understand how these tics can be OCD. She isn't obsessive or compulsive about anything else...that I can tell anyway.

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    My son also has many tics but I can't see any OCD symptoms. Can anyone suggest a good website for information on OCD?

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    About 60% of individuals with TS have Obsessive Compulsive behaviours, and many of these have full OCD.

    When you have both TS and OC behaviours it is very difficult to determine if some of the 'tics' are a result of TS or of the OCD. When a person has OCD he/she can be obsessed with an idea such as something bad will happen if I don't touch my desk 3 times. This thought will occur over and over. The compulsion is the act of touching the desk, and in this case, touching it 3 times. This will make things feel right, until the obsessive thoughts intrude again and the compulsion must be repeated.

    With TS, your child could also be reaching out to touch the desk as a result of a tic. It is highly unlikely that your child can articulate the reason for touching the desk.

    When you know you have both TS and OC behaviours, it is hard to determine why you do a certain tic or behaviour. In fact, for most people it does not really matter. However, when you are trying to find a diagnosis it is obviously of more importance.

    The pediatrician will likely be checking for both TS and OCD. Both TS and OCD are diagnosed based on observations. You will be asked about movements and behaviours you have observed. It is possible that the pediatrician will refer you to a neurologist.

    There is a good website on OCD at http://www.ocfoundation.org/.

    I wish you luck as you try to get a diagnosis. Do not be afraid to ask questions. My son was diagnosed with TS first and it was not until many years later that the additional diagnosis of OCD was discussed. The symptoms of OCD were there all along, but were not picked up on until he showed some of the more classic signs of hoarding and lining things up.

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    The OCD Foundation website is an excellent resource to help understand OCD. The page discussing "Related Disorders" describes the relationship between OCD and TS.

    Some literature suggests girls are more prone to OCD than boys, while boys are more prone to TS.

    Whether your daughter's tics are the extension of her OCD or if she is a person with TS having OCD needs to be diagnosed by a competent health professional with experience in both disorders.

    If your Family physician does not have a specific interest in TS, then I would respectfully recommend you request a referral to a specialist with expertise in both OCD and TS.

    Unfortunately many physicians have only a cursory understanding of either or both and ability to diagnose accurately requires experience in both these disorders.

    There is no simple test to determine if a patient has TS, so a physicians experience in having seen many cases plus the physician's understanding of the subtleties of the disorder are foremost in providing an accurate diagnosis.

    Don't be afraid to ask your physicians some tough questions, like "How many cases of TS or OCD have you treated? or "Do you have a specific interest in TS and/or OCD?"

    If the answers are not reassuring, then look for another physician. Ask around, call the Department of Neurology or Psychiatry at your local Hospital, ask to speak to the office of the Chief of the department and ask who in their department has expertise in TS and/OCD.

    If that physician is not available for a private consultation, find out if they work in a clinic and arrange for your daughter to be seen in the clinic.

    Keep us informed of your progress, because the insights from you experience will surely be helpful to other Forum members in similar situations.

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    hi everyone the ocd that i have now are when i go to cross a train track i have to swallow before or els the wish that i made will not come true. and another one that i have is when i start to fold my laundry in the living room whil i'm watching tv is that i have to finish before the commercials are over or els i don't feel good. i could go on and on and on. some times i realize what i'm doing and then tell myself oh will you stop it . but i just can't help myself. idon't know how many times i can check to see if i locked the front door before i leave the house. some times i feel like i'm going nuts and would love to be normal ts with ocd affects my job my famaly and me

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    Concerta,

    Your OCD is a lot less risky than some we have heard about!

    There was a man who had the compulsion to place his foot on the train track then quickly remove it as the train came into the station!

    Do you have any OCD behaviors that are "high risk"?

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    hi steeve no not really mind are pretty mild for now. i hope it won't get worst than this. i saw adocumentary and the had tourette and would constantly move every minute and he got some elecrtodes put in his brain and the jumps and arm fliing ahd completely stoped amazing is in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by newtothis
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    Is there anyone out there who has OCD but the only symtom are tics?

    My daughter has many tics including forced eye blinking, nose wrinkling, mouth stretching, shoulder shrugging and she squeezes her hands and feet. She also clears her throat. Based on all my reading, I assumed TS. I brought her to the family doctor and she thinks it's OCD. She's going to be referring us to a pediatrician.

    I just can't understand how these tics can be OCD. She isn't obsessive or compulsive about anything else...that I can tell anyway.
    My personal (and quite informed) opinion is, that OCD won't cause any tics at all. I have never heard of anybody with TS who doesn't at least have mild OCD. But I have never heard of anybody who has only OCD who also has the kinds of tics you describe.

    Those tics are extremely common with TS, though. While your daughter may have OCD as well, she sure sounds awfully typical of TS.
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